Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki have been instrumental in continuing the ever-expanding growth and development of international play in the NBA.

For over 25 years, the NBA has seen a steady infusion of international talent enter the league.  Time was, drafting an international player meant a team would have to wait several years before seeing a return on its investment.  Today, however, internationals have significantly shortened the learning curve, with many now ranking in the upper echelon of the league’s best players.  But the road wasn’t always paved with gold.

Arvydas Sabonis of Lithuania was drafted by Portland in the first round of the 1986 NBA Draft but didn’t wear a Blazers jersey until 1995.  Toni Kukuc of Croatia was selected by the Chicago Bulls in the second round of the 1990 Draft, but didn’t see action until 1993.  Peja Stojakovic of Yugoslavia was chosen by Sacramento in the first round of the 1996 Draft, but didn’t enter the league until 1999.  Nonetheless, the international game, particularly in Europe, has made steady and significant inroads since the early 1980s, with many factors at its core.

By televising American basketball to international audiences — particularly the NBA — the perception of the game was forever altered for the international player.  Basketball was no longer the plodding, mechanical game played in the rest of the world throughout the ‘60s and ‘70s. It was now seen as a vibrant game of speed, grace, skill and athleticism.

Suddenly the international player was growing up watching Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, and no-look passes and double-clutch jumpers became a reality. Later, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and company were as big an influence on young Europeans as on young Americans. Some might say even bigger.

Foreign coaches began making regular sojourns to the United States, a practice pioneered very early on by the Yugoslavs who copied and assimilated American basketball concepts and then made their own adjustments and developments. In addition, American coaches, e.g., Hubie Brown, were invited abroad to share their knowledge and experience at clinics and camps all over the world, which further bridged the gulf between American and international basketball.  As a result, the international player began to evolve at an expedited pace, with the primary aspect of this evolution being physical. Suffice it to say, international players finally mastered the challenges of the NBA game. Today, they can run and jump, and they have the speed, quickness, and reflexes previous generations lacked. Although not yet on a par with Americans regarding athleticism or strength, some have managed to make up for their deficiencies by honing skills to a far more refined degree than those of their American counterparts, particularly at younger ages.

Another huge advantage for the young international player is his opportunity to play in top leagues in his early teens. Therefore, when the draft rolls around, he’s already been playing professionally for several years against tough veteran competition.  Thus, before donning an NBA uniform, he’s already had a year or two of high-level pro ball under his belt.

Despite these myriad advancements, the international game may never be as spectacular, creative, or as physically demanding as the American game, so to prove their mettle international players will continue to make the trek to the NBA.

But it looks like things are about to change …

With the explosion of international players in today’s game, it was only a matter of time before the NBA’s desire to expand into Europe would be revisited, especially given the few opportunities for expansion domestically.  As such, David Stern is mulling plans to create five full-fledged franchises in Europe over the next decade, with the five teams forming a “European” division within the NBA.  The teams would play the full 82-game schedule and compete for the NBA championship.  The proposal is new and many facets still need to be worked out, with everything being predicated upon more arenas being built in Europe in coming years, as well as the development of international partnerships with local federations and business interests on par with the deal struck by the NBA and NBA China in January of this year.

Can the NBA sustain this proposed expansion?  Would American players be willing to play overseas?  Most important, can the NBA model succeed in Europe with low-scale popularity, government regulation, and rigid basketball organizing bodies — the complex network of old-world federations that run the sport in each counry and throughout Europe?

If the FIBA model is any indication then the answer is a resounding yes, particulalry in light of the sheer numbers of internationals now playing in the NBA.

This season, NBA rosters featured 76 international players from 31 countries and territories (active and inactive).  The Toronto Rapters and Phoenix Suns have the most international players in the league with six. The Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs, and Golden State Warriors each have five international players. The Atlanta Hawks’ Al Horford, the top international selection in the 2007 NBA Draft, and Milwaukee Bucks Yi Jianlian, the NBA’s fourth player from China, also will make their NBA debuts this year. In addition, this year NBA rosters included a record eight players from France, five from Spain and six from Argentina.  Of this number, nine players made MeanD’s Big Board this postseason, with Tony Parker leading the way as the reigning Best Damn Guard as well as the 2006-07 Finals MVP.

For further proof of how far-reaching the game has become, and in keeping with the spirit of the 2007-08 playoffs, lets take a brief look at the careers of the five players currently in the running for Lord of the League on MeanD’s Big Board, starting with none other than reigning NBA Champion Tony Parker.

Tony ParkerThree-time NBA champion William Anthony Parker was born in Bruges, Belgium and raised in France.  His father, Tony Sr., played NCAA basketball at Loyola University in Chicago and then on the professional level overseas.  His younger brother, TJ, played three seasons at Northwestern University and is now in his second professional season in France. Predictably interested in soccer as a youth, Parker switched to basketball after watching Michael Jordan evolve into a global basketball superstar.

Parker played for France in the 2001 European Championships.  In addition, he played for France’s Junior National Team in the European Junior Championships in both 1998 and 2000.  Soon afterwards, he made a big splash at the 2000 Nike Hoop Summit in Indianapolis, scoring 20 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds and 2 steals against top U.S. talent.  Parker’s performance prompted a recruiting war between several colleges, including UCLA and Georgia Tech who were on the verge of persuading Parker to join them. However, Parker decided to forgo the NCAA and remain in France where he spent the next two years with Paris Basket Racing in the French championship before entering the 2001 NBA Draft.

Despite his pedigree and tremendous basketball acumen, Parker was not an immediate hit with Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich, certainly not as San Antonio’s point guard of the future.

Parker’s first experience with the Spurs was daunting as coach Popovich had him play against Spurs scout and ex-NBA-player Lance Blanks. Parker was so overwhelmed by Blank’s tough and physical defense that Popovich was ready to send him packing after just 10 minutes.  However, after seeing a “best of” mix tape of Parker’s best plays, Popovich decided to invite the talented guard back a second time. This time, Parker made a better impression against Blanks.  Said Popovich, “… when we gave him his first workout, we didn’t think he was tough enough – and we sent him home. And then we set up another interview, another workout … and he was fantastic in that one.” 

In 2001-02, Parker was named to the All-Rookie First Team becoming the first foreign-born guard to earn the honor.  Today, Parker has blossomed into one of the NBA’s elite point guards.  Despite his relatively small size for a basketball player (6′2″), he led the league in “points in the paint” for a large portion of the 2005–06 season. He is considered one of the fastest in the league from baseline to baseline, and his steadily improving jump shot now makes him an almost impossible cover when healthy.  For all his hard work, Parker was selected as a first-time NBA All-Star in the 2005–06 season, averaging a regular season career-high 18.9 ppg on an impressive 55% from the field. In 2006-07, Parker was named 2007 Finals MVP, also becoming the first European-born player to win the award.

Today, with the Spurs leading the Phoenix Suns 2-0 in their best of seven first round matchup, Parker is not only reestablishing himself as one of the best-shooting point guards in the NBA, but as one of the premier PGs in the world.

Mehmet OkurBorn in Turkey in 1979, it’s probably difficult for Americans to imagine how Mehmet Okur was exposed to the game of basketball enough during that time to learn to play it at such a high level. But obviously he was. And he wasn’t alone. Not just in Turkey of course, but in many parts of the world. Players have crossed borders and seas to impact today’s NBA, and it’s an impact that has given basketball fans a product we couldn’t have imagined as recently as twenty years ago.

Okur may not garner the recognition of some of his fellow countrymen, but his game will most certainly be emulated by future generations of Turks for years to come. Mehmet gives the Utah Jazz such a versatile presence with his dangerous perimeter game that he has become one of the league’s most difficult covers for even the most savvy defenders.  Of course, versatility is a very common thread among international players, and it becoming increasingly common in more and more American big men as a result.

Originally drafted by the Detroit Pistons in the 2002 draft, Okur was the first NBA player born in Turkey. He played two seasons in The Motor City, the second of which resulted in a championship in 2004. The salary cap dictated a move, and he was signed by the Jazz in the following off-season. He has provided a great inside-out balance, averaging 17 points and 7.5 rebounds over the last three years.

Heading into this season’s playoffs, any critics of the Jazz’ chances usually included a mention of their inside play coming up short. So far, Okur has met the challenge of his critics. Granted, the undermanned Houston Rockets may not be a good barometer — although they did manage to bring their best-of-seven series to 2-1 with a gutsy win in Utah last night — if the Jazz advance, there will be new matchups and challenges awaiting Okur, most likely versus the Los Angeles Lakers.  While the Lakers have more capable big men to play Okur when he ventures into the low post, his outside game may be the equalizer. And in a matchup that may be overlooked, I for one will be looking forward to seeing Lamar Odom battle Mehmet’s newfound low post game.

Dirk NowitzkiLike George Mikan and Wilt Chamberlain, though for different reasons and attributes, German-born Dirk Nowitzki may prove in the long run to have an effect on the NBA like few contemporaries his size. At seven feet, Nowitzki may already be the most accomplished and acclaimed foreign-born player the league has seen, having already achieved an NBA MVP and an upper echelon reputation. At the age of 29, he has cemented himself as one of this era’s greats. He is also the first European-born player to win the MVP award. Perhaps unfairly, he has received some criticism for his relative lack of post-season success. But there are many lesser players who have achieved greater heights with regards to team accomplishments, which proves the theory that it’s more than just the player who’s responsible in this intricate team sport that is professional basketball.

Nowitzki was selected ninth overall by the Milwaukee Bucks in 1998, but traded to the Dallas Mavericks immediately afterward in an intelligent move by then-head coach of Dallas, Don Nelson. Perhaps Nelson saw something he had never seen before, as a player of that size with a long-range game like Nowitzki’s simply wasn’t normal. Given the responsibility of rebounding or scoring from the low-post – while the latter is not his strong suit – Nowitzki has proven adept at those as well.

Nowitzki has gradually improved his game, with seven NBA All-Star and seven All-NBA team selections to show for it. It would have been quite an adventurous statement twenty years ago that the league’s MVP and one of its top players would be German – and that a seven-footer could possibly posses the game he has. But that’s life in today’s NBA. And there is no doubt more are coming.

Currently down 0-2 to the New Orleans Hornets, Dirk has put up very solid numbers in both games.  Nevertheless, look for the Mavs to bounce back at home with strong performances from Dirk’s supporting cast, as Dallas looks to even the series at two before heading back to New Orleans for a pivotal Game 5.

Manu GinobiliWith three championship rings and many clutch moments to his credit, Argentinian Manu Ginobili has proven that sound fundamentals trump sheer athleticism. Born with an innate gift for the game, Ginobili joined the San Antonio Spurs in 2002, though the team drafted him in 1999 — which was a blessing for the Spurs because when Ginobili finally arrived in San Antonio he and his game were already refined. Manu is the only player to win a Euroleague title, and Olympic gold medal and an NBA championship. Following the ’02 FIBA World Championships, he was named to the all-tournament team, along with Nowitzki, Stojakovic, and Yao Ming.

Ginobili comes from a family of basketball players, some professional. As a result, it didn’t take long for him to impact the league. Of the current foreign crop in the NBA, Manu’s game is arguably the most well-rounded.  And like fellow NBA champions Danny Ainge, Dennis Rodman, and Bill Laimbeer, Ginobili is revered as both hero if on your team, and villian if not.  But the fact is, Ginobili is a winner, which, despite his incessant flopping, may be the most frustrating of all to opponents. And, as was the case with Ainge, Rodman, and Laimbeer, most NBA fans would forgo their disdain for Manu’s antics if he were wearing their hometown team’s jersey.

Now 30 years old, his NBA legacy is already cemented. And while his Spurs teammates, Tim Duncan and Tony Parker, may get more publicity, the fact is, San Antonio would not be who and where they are without Manu.

Pau GasolPau Gasol has often been compared to fellow European players Toni Kukoč and Dirk Nowitzki, holding career averages of 18.8 ppg, 8.6 rpg and 3.1 apg. He is a refined scorer from both inside and midrange, and also is near-ambidextrous. Gasol uses a variety of midrange jumpers, hookshots, up-and-under moves, reverse pivots, and shot fakes to score very efficiently. He is also an above-average shotblocker, with a career average of 1.8 bpg.

Named MVP of the 2006 FIBA World Championships in leading Spain to the gold medal, despite missing the final due to a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot, Gasol also played for Spain in the 2004 Olympics, averaging 22.4 ppg, and 7.3 rpg.  His younger brother Marc, a 6-10 center, played high school basketball at Lausanne in Memphis for two seasons before joining Pau’s former F.C. Barcelona team in Spain. Pau and Marc were teammates on the Spanish national team during the 2006 World Championships. Both his parents played second-division basketball in Spain. Pau began playing at the age of seven, playing point guard until he was 13.  His first contact with the NBA came via television at age 12 while watching the original 1992 Dream Team win Olympic Gold Medal in Barcelona.  Not surprisingly, Pau lists Michael Jordan as the most exciting player he’s ever played against.

Pau was a member of one of the best teams in the ACB, the top professional basketball league in Spain. He was also a member of teams that won the ACB Championship and Junior World Championship in 1999. Playing for Barcelona’s junior team, he was an integral part of the team that won the 1998 Albert Schweitzer Tournament and the 1998 European Junior Championship.  He was named MVP of the Spanish National Cup (Copa del Rey) after leading team to victory in Malaga, Spain, and he had a breakthrough season in 2000-01 as a 20-year-old playing for F.C. Barcelona, playing in 29 of team’s first 33 games, averaging 11.3 points and 5.2 rebounds in 23.8 minutes.

On February 9, 2006, for the first time in his career, Gasol was selected to play in the 2006 NBA All-Star Game as a reserve center for the Western Conference.  He was the first Spanish basketball player as well as the first Grizzlies player to ever make it to the All-Star Game.

With the Lakers currently enjoying a 2-0 advantage over the high-powered Denver Nuggets, pundits cite Gasol’s acquisition from Memphis as the likely reason many predict Los Angeles to come out of the Western Conference.

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These are just a few of the best Euros to come down the pike in the past 6-10 years.  All are highly-skilled, versatile players capable of playing multiple positions.

In coming years, more and more internationals are sure to come.  However, to the detriment of the American player, internationals are highly receptive to coaching.  They typically study every facet of the game, absorbing the lessons of the Jordans, Birds, Magics and the other greats who came before them.  Perhaps this will be a wake-up call to the American player, who, until recently, was in danger of losing his competitive edge as a result of his preoccupation with contracts and stats rather than wins and losses.


NBA

Ford and Calderon get Raptors back in series

With a quick start and quality point guard play, the Toronto Raptors turned the tables on the Orlando Magic

T.J. Ford scored 21 points, Jose Calderon had 18 points and 13 assists, and the Raptors beat the Magic 108-94 on Thursday night, cutting Orlando’s lead to 2-1 in their first-round playoff series.

Dwight Howard had 19 points and 12 rebounds for the Magic, while Hedo Turkoglu added 26 points and Rashard Lewis scored 19.

Houston vs. Utah

McGrady, Alston come up big for Rockets

Scoring seven points in a quarter is normally nothing for Tracy McGrady. 

With his team down 2-0 in the opening round of the playoffs, it meant everything to the Houston Rockets.

McGrady scored all of those seven in the final 3:29, finally snapping out of a fourth-quarter slump and finishing with 27 to lead Houston to a 94-92 victory over the Utah Jazz on Thursday night that gave the Rockets life in a series that could have been headed for a sweep.

Rafer Alston added 20 points and five assists in his first game in nearly two weeks. Carl Landry had 11 rebounds and two blocks, swatting away Deron Williams‘ shot that could have won it for the Jazz just before the buzzer. Landry also sacrificed his left front tooth, courtesy of an elbow from Utah’s Carlos Boozer in the second quarter, and had a huge gap in his post-game grin.

Williams had 28 points and 12 assists.

MORE NBA

Wizards pull out crucial win

Maybe it was the new haircuts sported by four Wizards players. Maybe it was the presence of Soulja Boy. Maybe it was sight of Colin Powell in a “White Out” T-shirt. Or just the comfort of being home. Or the inspiration of having Gilbert Arenas in the starting lineup, even though he limped out of the game in the first half.

Actually, there were plenty of reasons the Wizards routed their playoff nemesis, 108-72 in a Thursday night party at the Verizon Center. DeShawn Stevenson, who started the “overrated” talk and invited Soulja Boy to the game, had a “can’t-feel-my-face” 19 points. Caron Butler (17 points) and Antawn Jamison (15) also found their games. James didn’t have his. And, yes, those 15 first-half Cleveland turnovers had a lot to do with it, too.

“It was a good old fashioned behind-kicking,” Cleveland coach Mike Brown said.

The victory took the Wizards off the ropes by cutting Cleveland’s lead to 2-1 in the first-round series.


NBA Expansion: CNN/Sports Illustrated
Score roundups: Associated Press
Photos:
Gasol-Dirk: Reuters
Tony Parker: Bellenger/FFBB
Mehmet Okur: AFP
Dirk Nowtizki: AFP
Manu Ginobili: AFP
Pau Gasol: AFP

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66 Responses to “LORD OF THE LEAGUE: THEY’RE HERE”

This was a very interesting and nice post.

Good job guys

I remember when foreign players were such a scarce thing and now they invade more and more by the year.

No doubt My Manu is the best foreign born player to date (sorry arvydis, wish you got here sooner)

Remember marcillonis (SP?)

Petrovic was nice before his death.

And i would’ve LOVED to see toni kukoc play on a team other than the bulls. i think he’s one of the more underrated players in league history. He would’ve been a nightly triple double threat like lebron if he had ever played 40 minutes a night (obviously not as athletic as lebron but he had GAME, court vision and intelegence.)

Good post guys.

Ridge-Petrovic had an awesome game. I remember being at a Suns-Nets game during the 92-93 season, the year the Suns wons 62 games. Petrovic came out on fire, hitting from all over the gym. The Suns had no answer for him. It was 41-20 after one, and the Nets rolled. His game resembles Ginobili’s a little, but he was just so much smoother. Too bad he left too soon.

ridge- tony kukoc did play for another team. the bucks, if i’m not mistaken. he was not quite the same player without jordan/pippen. still, great player, no doubt.

oh, and you need to quit referring to manu as “my manu”. you sound like a 14-year-old girl raving about timberlake or whoever the latest teenage craze is…

just joshin ya man. nothin’ but love, but manu isn’t yours. can we at least say “our manu”? please?

as to the article, great read as usual.

i sure like the flair that the euro/international player brings to the NBA. it’s a different look and dare i say, the game has reversed, even if only ever so slightly, to a more fundamental game again. ever analyze calderon’s game? when given minutes, it’s almost flawless.

Maybe one thing even the euro-player can improve on, is to move away from the stigma that euro-players are shooters. the sooner they realize that, the better for both their teams, the NBA and their careers. maybe then they’ll lose the label of being soft, since not all those players have the privilege to play for a coach (pop) who has the ability to somehow turn cotton candy into a finals MVP.

KD by the time kukoc got to milwaukee he was waaaaay past his playing days.

He was just a coach in uniform.

Trust me, had he come here and not gone to chicago he would’ve been a perrenial all star.

ridge-

true.

brings me to another question: i wonder if he ever considered coaching?

MeanDovine
Rick O

The best Big man to come along in my mind before Dirk had to be Sarbonis. He had a deft touch about him for a big man. And he was always two steps ahead of a defender. That’s not something that you can often say about many of toady’s players at that position. The worst of the bunch may well be Bargnani. But the jury is still out on him at this juncture.

Best all-around player could well have been Drazen Petrovic?

But for his untimely death who knows how good he could’ve been?

Just my thoughts on the matter mind you!

Man had lots of ‘mad game’ and who could doubt that he was indeed a great player.

http://celebritydeath.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/
drazen-petrovic.jpg

Drazen Petrovic ……..

tophatal……….

RIDGE, thank you!

We enjoyed collaborating on this piece. It was a subject matter and challenge we weren’t sure abouty attempting, but felt we had to try it nonetheless.

I’d be hard-pressed to argue with you on how good Manu is, and has been.

His game is certifiable All-World.

Sabonis was pretty good too, but unfortunately he didn’t get to showcase the best he had to offer in the NBA.

As for Kukoc, he was very, very good, but he’d have these temporary lapses where he’d disappear or blow a defensive assignment.

Before joining the Bulls, Jordan and Pippen baptised Kukoc by fire in the 1992 when they played for the Dream Team. They were tired of Toni being touted as the best player to ever come out of Europe so they decided to see just how good he was. They literally took turns guarding him, shutting him down until the coaching staff pulled both guys out of the game to spare Kukoc any further embarrassment. Suffice it to say, they showed Toni who was the boss. It made Toni’s transition to the NBA, and to the Bulls specifically, difficult initially but he ultimately proved his worth. In the end, both Jordan and Pippen were glad to have him, as was Phil Jackson who was hard on Toni as well.

Kukoc would have been a great player had he come along in this generation. He would not have been able to attack the seams like Manu, but he had everything else.

Yes, ricko, Petrovic was awesome! He had brazen game. It made him a fan favorite, certainly one of mine.

Great job on the collaboration, bro!

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Morning, kd!

Kukoc was nice! Very nice!

But you’re right, he had very little left with the Bucks. I hated seeing him go there. I think he was bitter about it too because he wanted to remain in Chicago and within the Bulls organization in some capacity. Ah, but it wasn’t meant to be.

As for Calderon, you know I’m up on his game. I tracked him all year. Unfortunately, although he ranked #10 in the PPG ranks he did not make the top-eight cut. This was largely due to Sam Mitchell’s dual PG role for he and Ford. Still, I’d love to see one of these guys go elsewhere so the other can flourish.

Finally, I think the internationals, certainly the ones who have been here a wile have lost the ’soft’ label. Consider Manu, or even Turkoglu and Dirk. These guys take an incredible amount of punishment, and it doesn’t affect their games.

Great to see you, kd.

Holler back with some more of your good stuff, partner!

Can’t wait.

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hey MeanD and others here,

i’d appreciate your opinions on another psychotic rant i wrote in boredom and silent revolt towards my job:

http://www.fantasyshark.net/forum/index.php?topic=1744.0

thanks.

Tophat,

You’re dead on with respect to Drazen and Sabonis. Both never got the opportunity to display their immense talents in the NBA, Drazen due to death, and Sabonis due to age.

What a pity.

Keep bringing your unique brand of knowledge, Tophat!

:)

i know t.j. ford is my boy from texas man. but calderon has to start. he’s just the better fit for the raptor’s kind of game.

maybe ford can make his way to miami and play alongside dwade and marion. or head out to sacramento and run with k-mart/artest and miller?

KD,

Just what I was thinking. As for Miami, all depends on who they take in the draft.

And I’m on my way to your piece right now.

Thanks for making me look good for just taggin’ along, Mean. Kudos to you for a yeoman’s job putting this together.

You’re too humble and modest, bro.

:)

MeanDovine
Rick O

Do you feel that Stojakovic had he been more physical he could be likened to Petrovic and Sarbonis? When his game is particularly on. It’s clearly hard to really stop him. But to my mind he tends to drift in and out of games. Almost as if he’s suffering from narcolepsy for want of a better word. I do believe that the talents of Parker and Ginobli however mercurial they are. They’re now in all estimations the two best foreign born players in the league. And that’s with due respect to the likes of Nash and Dirk!

tophatal …………

Top,

In my opinion, save an injury or two, Peja has maxed out his potential. He’s always been a deadly shooter, with suspect defense. Not bad, but suspect.

I don’t think he could ever have taken hs game to the level of Sabonis, but Drazen, yes.

Parker and Ginobili are two tough customers who have paid enormous dues. They are certainly the most consistent internationals in the game today, but Hedo in Orlando is putting up one heck of a year, behind some pretty consistent growth.

As for Dirk, you’d be hard-pressed to find 7-footer with his skill-set. He’s shed so many of his demons and now touts a top-tier, All-World game.

Nash is still on the cusp, but is clearly slowing down. We know because of the mistakes he now makes, which he didn’t as recently as last year. But there were signs.

MeanDovine

With my mindset I don’t consider ‘Timmy’a foreigner as such even though he was born in the Virgin Islands.

With regard to Peja he’s just an anathema to everything one would expect from a guy with his so called abilities.

And as you’ve rightfully said TP and Manu have paid their dues. Hedo is now coming out of his shell. But it’s taken him far too long to my mind. Where was this when he was in Sacramento? I know that he was playing alongside C Webb, Bibby and Peja. But he just mindfully played in the background contributing as when he could. Had he been as demonstrative as he’s now being with the Magic. I do believe that the Kings most certainly would’ve fared a hell of a lot better!

tophatal …………

Peja was there till he got struck by the injury bug

He was a MAJOR problem in sacto

I used to love to watch him play (though i would never admit it at the time as a lakers fan)

Very true, RIDGE.

There was a time in Sacto when Peja was simply automatic.

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Top,

I find it hard to look at Timmy as an international too, but I don’t know what it was like for him growing up in the Virgin Islands.

For whatever reason, it took Hedo longer to develop, but during my research for this piece I discovered his name on several experts’ lists as an up-and-comer to look out for.

I like where his game is right now. I only hope he continues at his current pace next year.

By the way, Tophat, I had Hedo factored into this piece but it got so long that I had to cut him.

I’ll get to him later this year as the post season progresses. That is, if the Magic hang around long enough.

If not, I’ll get to Hedo next year, which might be best in order to see if this year is an aberration or not.

MeanDovine

Without Hedo this year I don’t think that the Magic would’ve made the playoffs. Despite Howard’s omnipresent play the likes of Rashard Lewis and Nelson if anything haven’t totally lived up to expectations. And as critical as I’m being of the two I do believe that the Magic should’ve gone out and got someone at the “point” for this team. Nelson is certainly more of a liability than he is an asset to this team.


I know offhand that you’re a track and field buff. Will you be watching the Penn Relay’s meet this weekend? It ought to be really good. As several of the Olympic hopefulls will be putting in an appearance.

tophatal ……………

Well said, regarding Orlando, Tophat.

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As for the Penn Relays, I ‘will’ be watching now. I didn’t know they were coming up. Thanks for the head’s up!

Nice piece fellas! I am with everyone else; I really wish Sabonis would have come over sooner. I have seen some footage of him in his late 20’s/early 30’s and man what a treat it would have been to see him go up agaisn’t the Dream and Big Pat in his prime. As for todays crops, Manu is the cream. Glad he is just a 45 min drive to watch live for me. What do you guys think will ever come of young Mr. Milicic?

Is that project dead?

Hey Burg,

First off, made the correction. Thanks for catching that. Always feel free to point out errors and oversights. We have no ego here.

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As for Sabonis, it is a shame that he did not play in the NBA in his prime. He was one awesome cat.

Hey, Manu is absolutely the real deal, which is more than I can say for Detroit right now. They are getting waxed by 20+. Can we say, Wow!!!

As for Darko, maybe he’s a slow developer. He looks like he still wants to play, but maybe he needs a coach and system willing to show a little more patience with his game.

Look, I’m trying to stay positive here. Maybe Ricko will have a stronger take.

Great to see you this evening, bro.

Holler back.

Excellent, excellent write-up. The best of the LEAGUE that I’ve read all year.

I never knew Horford was born outside of the US. But since he attended college in the US, is he still considered an import? What about Dominique Wilkins? Patrick Ewing? Ben Gordon? Dikembe Mutombo?

Whenever I think of the International crossover players, I immediately think of the Lithuanians: Arvydas Sabonis and Sarunas Marciulionis; the Aussie dead-eye Shane Heal; the Croats: Dino Radja, Toni Kukoc, Stojko Vrankovic, and Zan Tabak; and arguably, one of the greatest basketball players the world has ever seen, Drazen Petrovic.

All of those guys were superstars overseas, but most finally came to the NBA when they were past their primes. My brother got me interested in the 1992 Olympic games (along with the internationally publicized world games in the years to follow) that were surrounded with the hype of having professional American players to participate and we were able to watch many of these players in action and see how skilled they were. We became fans of players most of our friends have never heard of. And when they finally did make it to the NBA, fans looked at them as busts, with my big brother and I as some of the few who respected where they came from.

I’m excited about the unproven international talent looming around the league today. Players like Juan Carlos Navarro, Linas Kleiza, Sasha Vujacic, Thabo Sefolosha, Luis Scola, Kyrylo Fesenko, Kelanna Azubuike, and Jorge Garbojosa all have tremendous upside and many will be the stars of the future.

Guys

The thinking was always that the international players weren’t physically equipped to deal and play in the NBA. The propensity was to believe that they were physically soft and mentally suspect when fitting into the North American style of playing. Which was basically to say ’style over substance’. Which if anything is now being proven to be further from the truth than ever.

Is it any wonder that many of the top teams have scouts all over Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America?

The NBA as a brand has grown but so too has the technical aspects to the way that the game is being perceived and played as a whole not only here but internationally as well.

tophatal ……….

Yeah, I always found Darko kind of puzzling myself. As I do with Boris Diaw. Sometimes he looks great and you salivate the the possibilities, other times you watch and wonder what the heck he was thinking, or if his head’s in the game.

Mean-As I mentioned in a comment following the Playoff Preview, one of the reasons I picked Toronto over Orlando was because I felt Calderon would have a solid series, though I understand you not including him in the top eight. I like Mitchell’s point guard rotation. Hell, at least they HAVE a point guard rotation, unlike the Suns. Well, that’s not exactly true either. The Suns rotate backup point guards on their bench. One year it’s this guy who doesn’t play, the next it’s this guy who doesn’t play . . .

Mr. Showtime-thanks a bunch for the kudos. Greatly appreciated, more than you can imagine. Regarding a lot of the players you mentioned, we concentrated on foreign players making an impact on these playoffs. And as we and others mentioned, Petrovic was a stud, no doubt about it. His game would succeed in any league and era. Of the ones you mentioned at the end of your comment, I am anxiously awaiting the future of Scola’s game. He will be an integral part of a successful team. And he’s off to a good start, with flashes of it showing already. Keep an eye on it the rest of this post-season.

tophat-Being a Suns fan and watching Diaw regularly, I’d have to say that even though he has a well-rounded game, he IS soft. Guess he’s a throwback to when foreign players were soft, before they learned the rigors of The League. Okay, bad example perhaps.

DaBurg-Yes, shame that Sabonis didn’t play in the NBA earlier. And I think that may have been part of the impetus for our post. In other words, the fact that the foreign players are now able to make an impact while still young, rather than later in their careers like it used to be, for various reasons. Can you imagine not being able to see Tony Parker or Dirk Nowitzki until their best years were behind them? Now THAT would be a shame.

Thanks so much for stopping by.

Plus, as in all sports and some other avenues, sometimes you have to give credit to those that paved the way for those who came after. Count Sabonis and Petrovic among them. Their contributions are not to be overlooked.

MeanDovine
Rick O
Well now that the Spurs have bi*tch slapped the Suns once again and have gone up 3-0 in the series. Can we now have some respite from all of this damn nonesense as to how good the Suns allegedly are?
The mindset of the Suns’ fans are like that of a bunch of 5 year olds playing in a sandbox.
Kids it’s time to grow up and realize that there’s no such thing as there being a really good Suns’ team. They’ve been shown to be average at best.
They’ve been about as competitive in this series as Dennis Kucinich’s political campaign aspirations. And he’s the guy who’s allegedly seen “little green men” who he believes are aliens from outer space. Please tell me that’s not indicative of what a Suns’ fan is all about?
Where’s Tom and all of the others Suns’ blowhards now?
Quietly wrapped warm with their blinkies no doubt? LOL, LOL!!!
Chimin’ out.

tophatal ………

Tophat-Take it somewhere else.

I get very frustrated watching Boris Diaw play. He has remarkable talent, but no head for the game. He creates many turnovers against his own team and is useless when the play breaks down. D’Antoni needs to go back and watch film and figure out how he had such a huge season a couple years ago when Amare went down. We’ve seen the best of Diaw; and hopefully we can see it again soon.

Kwame Brown is in the same boat. He has all the tools, but no clear understanding of how to use them effectively. JR Smith used to be the same way, but has flourished in extended minutes in George Karl’s shoot-first, think second system.

Showtime-So do I, regrding Diaw. The reason that Diaw, Nash and anybody else on that ‘05-’06 team for that matter, had a big year was because of Shawn Marion. The Suns traded a lot more than a player when they dealt him. They traded their identity. They traded part of Nash’s game. And they traded the very player that made the Suns what they were. He was not the problem. I’ve got more to say on the matter but I’ll wait until all is said and done. And D’Antoni should have been let go after last season. But again, more on that later.

BTW, I’d take JR Smith in a heartbeat over any of the Suns’ current “tweeners.”

Just think of how different the Spurs would be if they got Jason Kidd 5 years ago because they thought they had a hole at Point Guard. That could have become a disaster.

I had something else to say bro (and Ricko), but Bob Segar’s “Shakedown” just started playing in the hotel lobby and it reminds me of Beverly Hills Cop II. I know it may sound un-heterosexual but I like the damn song.

Cheers boys – enjoy the weekend games.

Showtime,

Like Ricko has already said, thanks for the high compliment.

I kind of put Horford, Duncan, Ewing, etc., in the same boat as you. I don’t see them as internationals but by the same token, they are not Americans so I guess that the standard whoever is classifying these guys is using. But the crossovers you name are some of the guys I certainly remember most. Nice list!

As for that unproven talent you name, look for them to play even bigger next year. Suffice it to say, the internationals no longer have that long learning curve to transitioning to the NBA like they used to have.

It’s a new game in the NBA, with the homegrown product now having to make room for some equally, if not better skilled products from overseas. Although I’ve enjoyed tracking the international game for the past three years, I still have such a long way to go.

Thanks for dropping by to see us. Please don’t stay away so long. We love your commentary.

:)

Ricko,

I’ve always liked Calderon. He’s performed well on my board since I first started tracking him a couple years ago. Problem is he can’t grow his game sufficiently to climb my board as long as Mitchell insists on carrying two talented point guards. Hell yes, it’s a luxury many teams wish they had, but in my opinion, it’s time to ship one of these guys out, like T.J. We need to know how good Jose can be, as well as to see if he can get more out of his teammates by himself than he dos splitting duties with Ford. Plus I’d like to see Ford in Miami.

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As for the Suns, you pegged that team and coach like you own ‘em. And I suppose you and every other Suns fan actually do given all the heart and soul you guys have poured into the franchise over the past few decades. It just seems to me that they never recovered from Game 1’s loss. Only to be further humiliated by Popovich’s hack-a-Shaq tactics, which makes you right on another front as well. Moving forward, the Shaq trade just might hang around the entire franchise’s neck like a giant millstone. The weight of that contract, and Shaq’s poor pick-and-roll and free throw execution will now be a bulls-eye for any astute coach to exploit.

Good call on the Suns, my friend. I won’t concede their defeat until they do, but the fat lady is definitely warming up.

I’ll holler at you later today.

Hey Dan!

Yeah, the Spurs ought to be thanking their lucky stars they didn’t get Kidd. The proof is in the pudding.

And I love Shakedown too, so I’m glad you enjoyed it for me as well.

Talk at’cha soon, bro.

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Tophat,

Gotta give the Spurs credit. Popovich has masterfully out-coached D’Antoni. His gameplan has totally rendered the Suns ineffective.

Kudos to you boys so far.

As for Tom and my other loyal readers who happen to be Suns fans, I feel bad for them. No one wants to see it end like this.

Hey MeanD. and Ricko,

Great job. You guys always come up with such interesting pieces and different perspectives. I’d never thought I’d see the day when international players would be making some real noise in the NBA. Seems like I remember a time when most international players were busts, but the likes of Parker, Ginobili, etc. have changed that. Like you said, they may not be the most athletic, but they’re specialists for sure. You can’t find more deadly spot-up and jump shooters in the game. They’re real students of the game.

It’s crazy to the think of the NBA going global, but I guess it has to evolve in order to flourish. Like they say, everything must change.

Excellent read fellas. Can’t wait for your next pieces.

Miz B-Gotta hand it to MeanD for the idea behind this one. I just threw in my two cents and hopped on for the ride. Thanks a million for the compliment. Glad you liked it.

Hey Dan-I guess it’s rather fitting, isn’t it? A “Shakedown” is definitely what’s happening to the Suns right now, and it’s painful to watch. Though I can’t say I’m surprised. Looks like it may be time to gather up my previous notes and prepare their epitaph.

I’d have to say my favorite “international” player of all time is Darko. What a magician he is on the court. Anyone that averages about 1 point for every million he’s making has to be performing a trick on somebody.

MoonDog you are a fool!

LOL!

Suns’ fans……..yes I do mean the Suns’ fans
This is for you fans out there who are too afraid to show your your faces and tell us all what’s gone wrong.

Here’s the fat lady singing her aria. Read ‘em ‘n’ weep boys, read ‘em ‘n’ weep !

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/fat_lady.jpg

tophatal ……

MeanDovine

What’s the saying?

You either put up or shut up. So far it’s been nothing but the latter from the Suns.

D’Antoni is so one dimensional as a coach that it’s become his moniker. Hell you could’ve Pat Summitt to coach ‘em and at least then you’d expect an even better response than the one we’re now seeing from the Suns. They’ve been outplayed and out maneuvered at every step of the way during the series thus far. One would’ve expected better of them overall. But alas now they’ll be just playing for pride and not much else. Their fans’ll soon begin to accept the fact.

tophatal ……

Yeah, perhaps I should’ve trusted Ricko’s insight on this one, Tophat. He knows his Suns as well as I know my beloved Chicago Bulls.

Phoenix needs a young, legitimate center and as soon as possible if they are ever to win a title. Now, with Nash slowing down they’ll need a point guard too, with no real prospects coming in the draft. Now buried under the weight of O’Neal’s contract, they’ll have to unload pieces whose value will obviously drop after this less than stellar performance.

Of all the franchises in the NBA, I’d love to see this title-starved organization finally get one. They’ve tried so hard over the decades …

Boris Diaw’s game already jumped the shark.

DOes this say something about the Suns coaching staff or does it make you wonder about Boris’ work ethic?

The way STAT has become a more complete player than the one-move dunk machine he was when he came in the league, you gotta question Diaw’s heart. I mean, he IS French…

MeanDovine

The trade was made out of urgency rather than expediency. It’s now beginning to implode around them. With the $20m plus owed to O’Neal for next year. I can only see as you say them unloading a large part of their nucleus.

Kerr hasn’t been as insightful as everyone believed him to be.

Much like McHale, Isiah, and MJ these guys’ knowledge of player personnel can be written on the back of a first class stamp. That’s how overbloated their egos are in many respects.

tophatal ……..

Just to throw my 2 cents in regarding Toronto’s point guard situation (since the Raps are my team), Jose should be playing 25-30 minutes per game. When Ford’s shot isn’t on the team is in trouble, where Calderon can shoot bad but his court vision and passing can keep him effective on the floor.

Odds are Ford will be dealt and a new Euro player will join the Raptors. Fitting that you guys talked about international players in this post. The backup to Calderon (pending the Raps lock him up – he is restricted this year). Problem is I can’t remember the dude’s name. Sorry boys…

LEFTY!!!

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td,

Appreciate the coinage, bro. And you’re right, Jose should be starting.

Also appreciate the follow-up …

Holler!

Lefty
So what if Diaw is French? What does that make Tony Parker ……a midget?

Diaw is still learning the ropes. The real problems are that his tutors are so poor in their education of him.

tophatal ………

Suns Win!!!

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MeanDovine

Don’t go overboard as of yet. They’ve still got to come back to San Antonio. And we’re waiting to give ‘em a good ol’ Texas welcome as well as a good ol’ ass whuppin’ too. Diaw to my mind came out of his shell and he played well above his normal demeanor. This is why the Suns are looking to him to take over from Nash when his reign ends.

My piece on track and field is now complete. So as and when you’re ready return and let me know what you think?

tophatal ……….

Top,

Diaw will never take over for Nash. Not at the PG spot …

You know, there is a story …

A wealthy shepherd had two sons, one of them wayward.

Wayward son returns home after a long leave, having squandered his considerable wealth. While the good son stayed home with dear ol’ dad to tend the sheep.

When dad decides to throw a feast because wayward son had returned, good son became furious …

But dear ol’ dad simply explained to good son, “my son, I have you always, but your brother who once was lost is now found. Let’s celebrate his return.”

Phoenix was lost. Father Dovine is simply celebrating his Suns return.

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Hey tophat-I don’t think any Suns’ fans are going overboard. But Diaw taking over for Nash? Hmm.

I do have a question for you though, actually a couple. Why do you suppose that the officials have called three lane violations on Shaq for going over the free throw line before the ball hits the rim, plus one on him going into the lane too soon, yet Timmy “The Turtle” Duncan can exceed the ten second limit to shoot a free throw repeatedly, yet no call has been made? I realize that when a guy’s shooting a free throw and there is no other action taking place and the entire arena is focused on him, so it could go overlooked. Can you explain, please?

Secondly, how can Gregg Popovich bitch and moan about nearly every call and drop all sorts of vulgarities directed at the officials – which could be heard on the radio plain as day – yet no T is ever assesed. Yet when D’Antoni has a beef – - he gets run. After two Ts. From two different officials. Again, explanation please?

Just some questions I have. With you being the Spurs expert here, perhaps you can answer these for me.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go practice my flopping.

Well said, Mean.

Hey guys “what up”? I’ve had company all week. I’m headed to Washington next week for one week vacation! My Uncle is down and I’m riding back with him Friday! He has a large ranch
by Tacoma.

Fat lady did not sing yet, TOPH! But looks like your in the drivers seat!

If we could only turn back game one they would call this a great series.

They still might? Who knows? Just because its never happened don’t mean it can’t!

So we continue to play the game! Even against all odds!

Rick O

I was never enamoured with the adjudicating of the games in the NBA. In the regular season it’s one thing. But come the postseason everything appears to be turned on its head.

If someone can tell me why the lack of consistency then I’ll accept the explanation. As of now I find it really perplexing to say the least.

As to the series I know they say …’ it ain’t over ’til it’s over’. But in reality the Suns
Spurs series will come to an end once they return to San Antonio. Then we (Spurs’ fans) can have some fun along the Riverwalk.

tophatal …..

Tom

It can never happen and it won’t happen. That’s typical of the Suns’ fan who chases after the pipedream. And oh by the way the fat lady is already in rehearsal. The only thing is she’s not taking any voice lessons from Ashlee Simpson.

tophatal ……….

top-I don’t think the Spurs want to come back for a game 6, so they’ll do all they can to win game five, I’m sure. And like I said at the time, the Suns giving up game one will come back to bite them big time.

Mean Dovine

The fable of the Prodigal Son ….. is a good one. But do remember the tale of Cane and Abel also. There’s room for thought there too. Less we forget the outcome there?
They’ll soon have to do something that’ll either end up making or breaking the franchise with regard to the two.

tophatal ……….

Fair enough, tophat …

MeanDovine

I’ve a new piece up within the RSB site titled Who’d Be More Desirable Naked Brooke Langton Or Nia Long? Id’ welcome your take on this particular topic. As I know that you’re a connoisseur of fine women just like you like the aroma of a well chilled Cabernet Sauvignon.

A connoissuer by any other name would be a fraud. And most certainly sir a fraud, you are not!

tophatal ………..

Big Nia Long fan tophat, so I’ll be there in a minute.

Good Monday Morning to you, Miz. B.!

Yeah, the NBA has gone international. Like you, I never thought I’d see the day. Suffice it to say, the international game has come a long way.

Hey, thanks for the props on the piece. It was not one of our more easy ones, but we took a chance and it paid off. Glad you liked it.

Have a great day, and I look forward to reading your thoughts on my latest piece regarding Josh Howard and his admission that he smokes weed in the summertime.

Holler!

:)

Rick O
I think the Spurs’ll either close out the series in game 5. If it then goes back to Texas for game’s 6 and 7 then I don’t believe the Suns can win out.

tophatal ………..

TOPH, WE WILL SEE !

Something to say?